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boehner. >> let's not kid ourselves. but when i come out the day after the election and make it clear that republicans will put revenue on the table, i took a great risk. and then the white house spends three weeks trying to develop a proposal and they sum one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes, calls for not even $4 billion in cuts, and they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. i mean it was not a serious proposal. and so right now we're almost nowhere. >> let me start with -- let me start with joe jan on this thing because you and i often agree. this whole thing here, i just think boehner has never accepted the fact that the rates have to go up at the top. i mean they're talking about deductions and all this finesse, they lost this debate. if there was any issue that came out, the president was dead right. he mads he statement clear. the public wants to have some tax fairness. they don't want the top 2% to hold this thing up. boehner doesn't wan
boehner. >> let's not kid ourselves. but when i come out the day after the election and make it clear that republicans will put revenue on the table, i took a great risk. and then the white house spends three weeks trying to develop a proposal and they sum one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes, calls for not even $4 billion in cuts, and they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. i mean it was not a serious...
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especially since boehner does not want to increase tax rate at all. he wants the revenue from the closed loopholes and limited deduction. >> put a new deal on the table but tim geithner, does he say specifically where he sees the tax rate for the top earners going? >> he did. 39.6%, like in clinton era. he said clinton rare was time of remarkably good economic growth and strong private investment and he thinks that the republicans just need time to digest the idea of higher rates for rich. >> you heard them for the first time i think in two decades now acknowledge that they are willing to have the revenue go up as part of a balanced plan. a good first step. they have to tell us what they are willing to do on rate and revenues. that is hard for republicans. >> secretary geithner says he cannot promise we will not go off the fiscal cliff. speaker boehner says he is going to do everything we can to avoid the cliff. but acknowledged there is a chance he canal stop it. jamie? >> eric: peter doocy comprehensive report. >> jamie: thank you. >> eric: presiden
especially since boehner does not want to increase tax rate at all. he wants the revenue from the closed loopholes and limited deduction. >> put a new deal on the table but tim geithner, does he say specifically where he sees the tax rate for the top earners going? >> he did. 39.6%, like in clinton era. he said clinton rare was time of remarkably good economic growth and strong private investment and he thinks that the republicans just need time to digest the idea of higher rates...
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john boehner is serious about revenue. he'll get a lot of push-back but a lot of republicans will rally about john boehner about limiting deductions to raise somewhere between $700 billion and $800 billion in revenue. and i bet you this-- if you took the president's plan and put it on the floor of the house and senate, he would get very few votes for his plan. >> schieffer: so you're sag you think that both sides-- and this is my fries that both sides would actually be stupid enough to let us go over this fiscal cliff because they can't come to some kind of a compromise? >> i would just say this, that my side knows we lost the election, and we're willing to put revenue on the today that will get some political heat for people like me. that is movement in a positive way. republicans should do revenue. we're willing to do it in a smart way. if you raise tax rates, you get capitol hill four help billion in revenue, and you hurt job creation. if you limit deductions at about $40,000, $50,000 per person, you prevent the middle
john boehner is serious about revenue. he'll get a lot of push-back but a lot of republicans will rally about john boehner about limiting deductions to raise somewhere between $700 billion and $800 billion in revenue. and i bet you this-- if you took the president's plan and put it on the floor of the house and senate, he would get very few votes for his plan. >> schieffer: so you're sag you think that both sides-- and this is my fries that both sides would actually be stupid enough to...
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what is boehner going to put on the table? what does he want to do? we don't know. we are waiting for him to do some kind of counter, to talk about what their preferences are. we haven't heard anything. >> might going over the cliff give democrats more leverage to get republicans to let the tax rates go up on the wealthy, since all the tax cuts expire at the end of the year? >> well, i mean, some people talk about that, but don't forget that this whole negotiation that took place over raising the debt ceiling caused sequestration, and that would mean tremendous cuts in social programs and defense. in the president's proposal, he's talking about delaying $55 billion in cuts to defense, and about $55 billion in cuts to discretionary programs and offering up $400 billion in cuts to discretionary programs. and i think that should be taken seriously. >> democratic congresswoman maxine waters, always enjoy you, congresswoman. thank you. >> thank you. >>> on their way off the senate floor, two republican senators have put a new immigration reform law on the table this week
what is boehner going to put on the table? what does he want to do? we don't know. we are waiting for him to do some kind of counter, to talk about what their preferences are. we haven't heard anything. >> might going over the cliff give democrats more leverage to get republicans to let the tax rates go up on the wealthy, since all the tax cuts expire at the end of the year? >> well, i mean, some people talk about that, but don't forget that this whole negotiation that took place...
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boehner said there's absolutely a nonstarter. they're in a stalemate and nowhere and i guess the question is, with 30 days left is this a negotiating ploy, an enough opening negotiating position from the president or indicate that they're really far apart and we could go over the cliff. >> we could have really just two weeks before they're done. the recess is december 14th, i'm curious though, you mentioned the substance of it. how bothered is john boehner with the style of it. instead of sitting down face-to-face negotiating, the president is out giving speeches, really campaigning? >> you know, i don't think so. i mean, first of all, both of these guys know when they sat together as they did in the august, 2011 talks it didn't go very well and they're negotiating with the president, negotiating with him through the secretary of the treasury so i don't think that they object to that. i think it's a-- they're serious guys and been through it before. it's a matter of substance not a matter of style. they're waiting to see what is
boehner said there's absolutely a nonstarter. they're in a stalemate and nowhere and i guess the question is, with 30 days left is this a negotiating ploy, an enough opening negotiating position from the president or indicate that they're really far apart and we could go over the cliff. >> we could have really just two weeks before they're done. the recess is december 14th, i'm curious though, you mentioned the substance of it. how bothered is john boehner with the style of it. instead of...
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end this is a deal that will have to really be agreed to by the republican speaker of the house john boehner and the democratic president in the white house, barack obama. in the end that's where the deal is going to come. we're going to have to get his guys to vote with him, as well as nancy pelosi, who is the democratic leader. kind of pushing from what he wants. there were a lot of republicans who were not 5u8 that pleased with it saying he ought to be back here. there were some democrats that thought she -- right now where are we? we are almost a month after the election, the fiscal cliff we've been talking about since this summer. they put it off until after the election, and we're now a month past it, and we are finding that democrats describe the two sides as very far apardon. >> absolutely. one guy who has been pretty busy is treasury secretary tim geithner. i know you're going to have an interview with him on your show this morning. we look forward to that, candy. nice to see you on this sunday. >>> keep it here for "state of the union." it starts in about eight minutes at 9:00 a.m.
end this is a deal that will have to really be agreed to by the republican speaker of the house john boehner and the democratic president in the white house, barack obama. in the end that's where the deal is going to come. we're going to have to get his guys to vote with him, as well as nancy pelosi, who is the democratic leader. kind of pushing from what he wants. there were a lot of republicans who were not 5u8 that pleased with it saying he ought to be back here. there were some democrats...
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house speaker boehner said that the talks are at a stalemate. democrats said they're not going to make another move until republicans say they're going to go for an increase in tax rates. so, this is stalemate right now. now, these things always look horrible when they come together. more and more voices say, this is going to go over the fiscal cliff at least for a few days in january. >> if we go over the fiscal cliff, voters will likely blame the republicans for that. is is that true sf. >> all of the polls show that right now. we know that the tax hikes go up. ben bernanke, the fed chairman, fears that it will throw the country into a recession. they have to be careful here as well. but democrats and the president clearly believe that they have the leverage to force an increase in these tax rates on the upper income americans before they agree to a deal. >> we'll all be watching the stock market as well. >>> the president also concentrating on recasting his new cabinet and one name that came up yesterday is a replacement for leon panetta at t
house speaker boehner said that the talks are at a stalemate. democrats said they're not going to make another move until republicans say they're going to go for an increase in tax rates. so, this is stalemate right now. now, these things always look horrible when they come together. more and more voices say, this is going to go over the fiscal cliff at least for a few days in january. >> if we go over the fiscal cliff, voters will likely blame the republicans for that. is is that true...
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house speaker john boehner said that the talks are at a stalemate. there seems to be a huge divide. democrats said they're not going to make another move until republicans clearly say they're going to go for an increase in tax rates. republicans aren't prepared to make a move. unless the democrats are able to give up greater savings in medicare. so, this is stalemate right now. now, these things always look horrible before they come together. more and more voices say, this is going to go over the fiscal cliff at least for a few days in january. >> and democrats seem to be thinking that, if we go over the fiscal cliff, voters will likely blame the republicans for that. do you think that's true? or are democrats overplaying their hands? >> all of the polls show that right now. no one know was the consequences will really be if we go over that fiscal cliff. we know that the tax hikes go up. some estimates -- ben bernanke, the fed chairman, fears that it will throw the country into a recession. that would hurt the whole country, of course president obama as well. they have to be careful
house speaker john boehner said that the talks are at a stalemate. there seems to be a huge divide. democrats said they're not going to make another move until republicans clearly say they're going to go for an increase in tax rates. republicans aren't prepared to make a move. unless the democrats are able to give up greater savings in medicare. so, this is stalemate right now. now, these things always look horrible before they come together. more and more voices say, this is going to go over...
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speaker boehner makes his committee chair. it seemed nothing short of oblivious. let's go back to our new herd for 2016 for a moment. four women as potential -- five contenders of color. but there is no denying that as women and people of color grow in the ranks of the gop, there is room to attract potential voters as well. and then this morning, or just yesterday, mike fleck, a state lawmaker in pennsylvania as i was saying before the break, comes out as a gay man in his interview with a local newspaper. he is -- i'm staying in the republican party. it's not a single issued party. it starts feeling like maybe they're trying to pitch that big tent again. >> they should. their tent has been looking kind of small recently. there's a san diego guy who unfortunately lost for mayor by a couple thousand votes named karl de mayo, openly gay. david brooks screwed up and wrote a column positing him as some kind of knuckle dragging. he's openly gay and running on pension reform. what are you talking about? there is going to be, there has to be a new voice out there. they ha
speaker boehner makes his committee chair. it seemed nothing short of oblivious. let's go back to our new herd for 2016 for a moment. four women as potential -- five contenders of color. but there is no denying that as women and people of color grow in the ranks of the gop, there is room to attract potential voters as well. and then this morning, or just yesterday, mike fleck, a state lawmaker in pennsylvania as i was saying before the break, comes out as a gay man in his interview with a local...